So obviously, cutting all of high and lowsec income by 10% would be the best idea ever, considering how many would cry and whine (and how much more) over it, right?

The pve in this case is important because it's a common source of isk for the null sec alliance pvp grunts whose ship deaths largely fuel the EVE online economy. I call it "PVE for supply" as opposed to the "PVE for fun" that many people do. PVE for supply is vital for pvp in this game.

Those null sec grunts making isk in null sec (thus being easly subject to pvp themselves) is a good thing, those same grunts choosing to make isk in safer places is less good for the same reasons.

A 5% nerf doesn't sound that bad (it isn't) execpt that it just further pushes the balance sheet further away from null sec for "PVE for supply". The only reason to do PVE in null NOW is just for fun because pve in other places is boring but just as capable of providing isk if you want isk for other things.

This ESS thing won't kill EVE or null sec, it's just a step in a stupidly bad direction.

That can't be, I'm the biggest troll since, well, 5 minutes ago when Tippia posted according to some, so I got a reputation to up hold.

Therefore, my I add a "Yo momma!" to restore balanc ein general discussion? Thank you

By the way what are you guys doing with all thoses isks anyways? You don-¦t need them to replace personally lost ships thanks to reimbursement, so why are the goonies out in force and cry a river that would but the sty to shame?

Whats hard to get about this?

You earn more in high sec with near perfect safety. Why would you chose null sec which offers the worst option?

You need to buy ships for them to be replaced in the 1st place. Those ships need modules. Combat doctrines change so you ned to refit (inclduing rigs). You need isk to do other things (like say you want to join RVB, you don't need a lot of isk but you need some to buy those frigs and cruisers). Say you want to start seeding a null market, that takes isk. Or you want to go into a wormhole and screw around, need isk for that etc.

As for plex, some of us have lots of free time but think the idea of working overtime to play a video gameis stupid. My IRL job requires me to go into a freaking ghetto in a uniform (ie target on my back), screw that, ima stay home , drink beer naked earn isk and plex.

I don't know why people have this idea that null sec players JUST blob each other and do nothing else. We do like to play EVE too.

I don't. I do all of my isk earning in high sec and just travel back for the fights. I don't live in null.

That is the most stupidest idea ever made. ever.

Hmmm I cannot believe someone in CCP HQ thought this up and then - and here's the clincher -

THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA.

WOW. This is really stupid. I'm telling this as i hisec dweller. You have my support against this case.

But I will say this, which you will also probably be unable to process; hi sec players had nothing to do with this ESS module. So this "evidence" you have only exists in your mind.

Perhaps because you are a highsec dweller and it does not affect you? Maybe if it were restricted to highsec only you'd have a different opinion.

because CCP can't provide any reason why it should happen other to give their ill-conceived, non-functioning toy a reason to exist GÇö a fact that only proves that it has no reason to exist to begin with. Oh, and it's not just nulseccers raging against that kind of idiocy.

If you don't play with the toy you lose 5% of the box.

Which makes owning and maintaining a nullsec empire pretty stupid.

The default nerf should be 10%. The module drops the income for another 10% but it can rise to 120% eventually.
That would be perfect balance and made everyone happy.

Quality highsec posting. Highsec people should be excluded from this discussion unless the ESS is going to involve highsec.

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I love this sig it catches so many people :smug:. I didn't start the thread but I would support a feature that let me prevent groups of people from posting in threads when you make them, npc alt: can't post in this thread, lives in highsec: can't post in this thread, etc.

You're the one that brought it up, you first.

Quality highsec posting. Highsec people should be excluded from this discussion unless the ESS is going to involve highsec.

Much of what the "uninformed" player sees and hears likely represents the worst of Null. As a new player 6 years ago I remember stories of chicanery and asshattery. On this forum, I see posts about this thing in Null sucks, that thing in Null sucks. I see posts from people who, rather than explain their position in any kind of diplomatic or reasonable way, tend to berate and belittle us "lesser mortals". It is really, REALLY hard to be sympathetic to someone that acts the way some of these people do.

Oh no, someone from a population that normally will not form their opinion off of data and requires constant codling does not approve of me. What will I ever do? I got it, I'll become a CCP Dev and I'll invent something called an "ESS" for highsec. That'll show them.

There would less rage if this ESS would be deployable in hisec and lowsec too.

No **** the hiseccers in this thread would be crying murder if this affected their precious L4/incursion rewards

It is very important that if the ESS is to be released, it can be used in all space and affect all PvE, sans mining I guess.

If that is not possible, then it needs to be put on hold until it can be properly implemented.

Uh, "great content generator"? In which universe?

I've yet to see a single reason for why I should bother to deploy one in any system I were to rat in (not that I rat, but whatever, let's go with it), because we're just talking about a 5% reduction in ticks if the system's ESS-less, it's a 30m investment with a chance of a minor extra payout, which can be stolen by anyone, be they blue, red or neutral. And if an ESS is deployed and someone I don't know comes into system, regardless of color, I might as well assume he's going to go to the ESS and press the button, i.e. I might as well assume a 80% payout instead of 95% payout of today's value.

So yeah, not seeing a single reason for why I should bother with an ESS in any way, shape or form, and chances are they'll be banned from most large entities' space to reduce the amount of bullshit drama they would induce over absolutely nothing.

Let's... kind of face some facts, alright?

- Often gangs aren't roaming 0.0 looking for a fair, good fight. They're looking to pick off a low-hanging fruit, a ratting boat that can't - due to how PvE is designed - fend for itself. If a counter-gang forms up, they run away.

It's a valid tactic. Perfectly valid - with eyes on you, the enemy is likely to form a perfect counter to your doctrine and is on home turf - he has an ability to reship.

- Null "bears", and I'd actually use this term referring to people whom you cannot under any circumstances force to defend/pick a fight won't fight for profits from an ESS. They often don't fight for the income of an entire system, not just 20% of one (cloaky neut in local ~lols~). They often don't fight for their POSes, or, in extreme cases - sov.

A lot of people apply the term to people with half a brain that choose not to engage a hostile gang with an ill-fitted ship. PvE fits are very often horribly gimped when it comes to PvP - a glaring example would be Tengus tanked for say, Guristas. That's Kin/Therm, leaving a massive EM hole which any Minmatar or in some cases Amarr ship will exploit with glee.

An alliance that will fight you will fight you - if they can get numbers to go after you, or they have a remote chance of catching you. If you're in a cloaky/nullified T3 or a gang of interceptors, there's less incentive to form up simply because the other side will just run off before the fight even starts.

"But they blob!" "But they form up a counter!" well, likely you're the one that came in expecting to pick off easy targets - carebears. So it's kind of a "pot, meet kettle" situation.

If a group of players is willing to pick a fight, they don't need an ESS or any other stuff to incentivize the fighting. They just need a taget to hang around in the area long enough to form up a gang and go after it. ESS will do nothing to incentivize PvP in this case, and frankly siphons have a similar result.

An alliance that will not fight you will not fight you. No matter the amount of ESS, siphons, all this stuff you stack on them - they won't fight you, it's hardly ever worth losing ships over the amounts lost.

Exact opposite happens everytime there is a possible High-sec impact event, all the null bears come out and say its great..well done CCP ect, love those high-sec carebear tears QQ, vicious circle started by the null bears of 2003 and continuing to this day.

As many as all the carebears, who have powerfull friends in nullsec alliances that will come to hunt and kill us? XD

Hahaha Jeff! Almost forgot him! xD

I wouldn't say everyone hates it...just the nullsec children who think everything needs to be in their favor.

So I guess thatGÇÖs part of what I am not getting. If this is Sooooo bad and no one will use it then why do so many people have their underooes in a twist? I think the FEAR comes from not knowing. With many things in Eve the full potential of items, ideas and changes is not realized until people have a chance to play with it and figure out how to meta it.